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If that’s true regarding, “prophets and apostles making mistakes”, then they shouldn’t claim to have discernment because they clearly do not, neither do local leaders.

Thanks Bro. Jones for having Bro. Harper on your show. I wasn’t sure that I wanted to listen to anything he had to say. However I stumbled upon your show tonight at 3:something AM, and it held my attention like a super strong magnet. I just couldn’t resist listening to it. It has definitely strengthened my confidence in the Church, and I didn’t think I needed it strengthened any further. I thought I already had a great testimony. Listening to your podcast has definitely helped my testimony become stronger. Thanks 🙏 again.❤😊 But it is now 4:23am and my brain is shutting down to sleep.😊😊

Nah nogga this ain’t it ❤

The burning in the bosom. Good luck with that burning.

Dr Harper changed my life and my testimony for the better. I absolutely loved his class. I think we’re glazing over an important piece here-it’s not simply learning something new that is troubling. It’s that the manner of that new learning points to a betrayal of trust that was given when we had the “third-grade” understanding. Any manifestation of the “not all truths are useful” mentality needs to be accounted for, because the Church still explicitly calls for full trust despite past breaches. Edit to add: I think most people can tell the difference between information that was actively withheld and challenging information that another party has made a good-faith effort to share in proper context. And this isn’t just a matter of challenging history-the SEC debacle shows this is a current issue too.

Kauffman murders. They made a documentary about it.

I discovered Steven Harper on a podcast or RUclips several years ago. His testimony and teachings on Joseph Smith/Church History completely changed me. I’m so grateful we have access to wonderful discussions like this one.

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This is one of the best one yet!! Thank you to you both! ❤

"God is a Spirit"--John 4:24, spoken by Jesus.

The more I study and learn, the more converted I am!

"Relentless repentance is the way to live". That's quite the thought. love this.

The thing about Joseph Smith not remembering how old he was. How often do people when they look back and tell a story about a time in their youth have a hard time remembering exactly how old they were?

Be aware of the mark Hoffman’s of today

If you can, after finding the truth about Smith, Professor Smith, Signey Rigdon, just park the knowledge somewhere and live your life. Being emotionally comfortably and supporting the Prophet is what is important. Be obedient.

Because it’s all lies and they don’t want you to learn things lol “Mormons just believe!” They’re counting on obedience

It’s funny. The minute I decided to NOT let the noise interfere with my lack of getting an answer, that’s when I got my answers. I definitely believe that the noise is sometimes the trial of our faith.

Amazing. History controlled by feelings. From the Holy Ghost. Historical facts can now be justified and explained away leaving behind the correct view. I just wonder about the trail left behind of false witnesses, modified documents, changes in church history, claims of teachings by Joseph which he never taught (D&C 130:22) and stories formed into now accepted facts that match a predetermined historical narrative. Can we still call that professionally researched and presented lhistory?

Steven Harper may know some church history, but he is mainly a church apologist. This interview is a master class on how to ignore the difficult and troubling things about the church.

The Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith from ancient records kept by those who traveled, by a type of boat, from Ancient Israel to the Americas. It’s so simple.

WHO SAID Joseph Smith wrote "The Book of Mormon" alone?? And why were the supposed Authors/Writers so much more skilled ???

Glad you had good feelings. That is what you were indoctrinated to EXPECT....it was DRILLED INTO YOU FROM PRIMARY / JUNIOR SUNDAY SCHOOL

Much upliftment. Christ centred. Spot on ! Thank you

I love church history . The more o learn of church history makes my testimony even stronger . Church history true church history is wonderful

There is much more to learn all that comes from god is good.

True. We need to figure out what to do, to prepare the best we can, with what time we have left.

Thank you for this story sister. Please don't be discouraged because of the comments of the unbelievers.

I actually, near a 1/2 century ago, sat in the byu church history class taught by Milton V Backman who wrote the book 📕 First Vision ! Where we took a semester to explore those 4 accounts which Joseph Smith shared re: that greatest of all theophanies ! I served my mission in the most difficult mission, at that time , back in the late 70’s ☘️ where we were required to memorize all our discussions which began with/m the C divisions as to J S Hist 1 acct of his experience where he looked around then knelt to prayer .. in the 1st discussion. I shared that 1,000’s of times from memory the pages of my flip chart would verify. That vision was so in line with the other 3 times where the Father introduced His Son amidst the recorded canonized records!

JS is a charlatan , sexual predator and well you’re being victimized by him today. It’s okay though - nobody believes in this stuff anymore 😊

The BoM is a silly 19th century comic book. There’s nothing special about it or more than 00.02% of the world would believe in it.

I heard Bishop Jones is a really good hockey player...

This is one of the best interviews in the LDS podcast world. I love it.

Man the spirit stirs my soul. The gospel is so simple yet i find it so difficult. There is this constant tug of war between the flesh and the spirit. It can be so discouraging at times. When the spirit speaks to you reminding you that you need to repent the natural tendency, at least mine, is to put the thought out. Why do i do this. Sometimes the spirit dosent feel good but whom the Lord loveth, the Lord chasteneth. Repentance is hard, it goes against our natural tendencies. We must yeild to the enticings of the Holy Spirit and put off the natural man. Easier said than done but we must try and try we will and success will follow.

Asking respectfully, how can the book of mormon be true when the book of abraham which is still within the Pearl of Great Price has been unequivocally proven to be entirely falsified by egyptologists?

I was BIC [Born in the Covenant] and am a great-great-grandson of Brigham Young. I was brought up with D&C 132 believing it was a revelation from Joseph Smith. Since then I have done my own research and created a website. If you click on my picture icon you can read the essay. Marriage And Polygamy A Scriptural Perspective. Just from a scriptural perspective, I found out the Prophet Joseph Smith never lived, taught, or practiced polygamy!

I really love this episode and learned a lot. Thank you for sharing your insights.

At 19 years old, I finished the Book of Mormon for the first time start to finish over the summer right before I left on my mission. I clearly remember praying and receiving an answer that has never left me, and I have held to that answer even during a time I went through recently of a disbelief in a god at all. JS was a willing and an obedient servant for God, and what he did for the world through that faith and obedience is untouchable even almost 200 years later. My testimony in Christ comes from many different sources, the Book of Mormon being the chief source after the Bible and others.

Listening to Brother Harper’s interview I keep having a scripture go through my mind of a prophecy that I think he and many others are unintentionally fulfilling. Know this also, that in the last days perilous times shall come, for men shall be… ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:1-7

Such wonderful wisdom. I appreciated Steven’s testimony at the end. I am thankful for his faith and his scholarship, and for his efforts to build and strengthen the kingdom of God. Another excellent episode!

Because he was an unholy bullshitter

Joseph Smith claims to be better than Jesus He is an anti-christ

False teachings in the last days. Here’s an example!

One of the classiest podcasts on RUclips. Guests, interview style, lighting, production value, and editing is world class, thank you so much.

This was good!!

He is paid to propagandize for the LDS church. The truth shall set you free. The church can load you up with as much info as you can possibly want, the other reality is that for years the also controlled what they did not want members to know. Those days are gone. Not the church is trying to influence how you interpret the info you will inevitably encounter.

Thank you for this conversation, it was very important for many people to hear

I loved this discussion. Powerful testimony of our Lord and Savior. Thank you for sharing both your knowledge and wisdom, and also your witness of Christ.

Steven C Harper is a top-knotch gaslighter. So he's a great fit for this channel.

This was so powerful for me! I’m dealing with a family member that has been affected by tough history in the church and is willing to listen to alternative voices instead of finding answers from his own investigation. This gives me so much hope and a way to approach my own questions although my feet are planted firmly. Thanks for this one! I will listen to this again I’m sure!!

I am glad I have left the Church and I do not have to do the Mental Gymnastics that Dr. Harper goes through in this Video to try and make sense of the 4 different First Vision versions. President Joseph Fielding Smith even had problems with the different versions. That is why he removed the 1832 version from the church records only to add it back in after the Tanners showed its existence. To approach the First Vision with skepticism like Vogel, and not with faith like Bushman. Makes more sense because "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" One thing he never address is the fact that there is NO record of the First Vision before 1832. Joseph Smith said he was persecuted "All his Days" after telling people right after of the First Vision. There so NO record of it EVER being mentioned. This is a huge problem to me. And he never even brings it up.